The rise of C-Sections and its risks. (Information on C-Sections)

[starchild]

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Originally Posted by Alyssa Jamy, I have actually had extensive conversations with Sarah about Midwives and she is very much PRO midwife, her concerns are around 'the right midwives' and dealing with a group that is integrated into a hospital (in case things happen). (Sarah - sorry for speaking for you! I will leave room for you to interject) So, I am going with an OBGYN group that has a bunch of Dr.'s, NPT and midwives that all work together. I don't like to chew gum b/c it has artificial shit in it, i never take tylenol or advil for pain, eat organic, etc. i can not imagine getting meds unless of an extreme emergency. i also have a high tolerance for pain and would expect childbirth to hurt like hell but feel like we will do our best to prepare to mentally accept the pain and just deal with it. does that make sense?

That definitely makes sense. I'm not as committed as you but we share similar beliefs. It's good to know to seek out midwives affiliated with hospital groups. I've been reading up on hypnobirthing (my hypnotherapist teaches it) and I'm really excited about the prospect of it.

[NHPT]

this is a really touchy subject but i thought i would throw in my two cents for what its worth.......

i had a c-section and loved it. my daughter was breech and because of numerous reasons they were not able to try and turn while in utero so i was left with no other alternative. but i couldnt be happier. i loved the entire process and the recovery was not bad at all.

and i DO NOT feel like less of a woman or mother because i didnt go through the pains of birth which is sort of what i feel like you are trying to say here- like those who elect for a csx are less of a woman because they arent doing what is the "more natural" route. it is the womans right to choose and if they choose elective c-sx then i think that is fine- it is your labor experience and you should be able to make it however you want it- but i think we are forgetting the big picture here and that is that is shouldnt matter how you choose to have your child- what is important is the parent that you are.

and i could probably post all sorts of statistics that support the effectiveness for c-sx because there is SO much information out there and people and websites can manipulate info so it suits them.......

just my side of the story- although i respect the alternative and as it has been said- we will just agree to to disagree on this one!

[Christine]

well said Nicole.

 

Jamy and Alyssa, I have a friend from my prenatal yoga class that labored for 30 hours at a birth center and wound up being rushed to the hospital for an emergency c-section. That story alone is a good reason for me to labor in a hospital. Can you imagine laboring for 30 hours with no meds at all, not only would you be to tired to push the kid out your baby would be to tired to work to come out.

I think that someone said it well (possibly Sarah) it doesn't matter how the baby comes out, only that is comes out healthy and happy, because in the end we all get the same trophy-a beautiful baby!

[NHPT]

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Originally Posted by Christine I think that someone said it well (possibly Sarah) it doesn't matter how the baby comes out, only that is comes out healthy and happy, because in the end we all get the same trophy-a beautiful baby!

yes- that is exactly what i was trying to say!

[Alyssa]

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Originally Posted by Christine well said Nicole. Jamy and Alyssa, I have a friend from my prenatal yoga class that labored for 30 hours at a birth center and wound up being rushed to the hospital for an emergency c-section. That story alone is a good reason for me to labor in a hospital. Can you imagine laboring for 30 hours with no meds at all, not only would you be to tired to push the kid out your baby would be to tired to work to come out. I think that someone said it well (possibly Sarah) it doesn't matter how the baby comes out, only that is comes out healthy and happy, because in the end we all get the same trophy-a beautiful baby!

I agree Christine - I think we all need to do what is right for us, our bodies and our babies, even if those decisions are different

[Nrvsbride]

Calia I'm sorry you are having difficulty TTC. I hope that sometime soon you will be pregnant with your little bean. I can't even begin to imagine how upsetting and stressful it must be for you to constantly evade questions about when you are going to have children. People don't realize how upsetting it can be for someone who is trying to get pregnant.

 

As far as c-sections go, I think everyone should do what's best for them.

[Sarah]

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Originally Posted by starchild I love the idea of a midwife and would totally like to do it as natural as possible. Generally I would trust a grandma who has delivered 50 babies over many doctors, but I'm kind of deterred by Sarah's experiences. I know she didn't share to scare or deter anyone, but if that's what she sees as a L&D nurse...I wonder if the midwives in her cases were just ignorant or if it's dangerous in general? I need to do my own research on this. Alyssa maybe you and I will be the BDW midwife test cases..lol

I'm not anti-midwife. I really like the midwife at my OBGYN office. I just think she's willing to take chances I'm just not, in the spirit of going the "natural" route. And in her defense, she's as interventional as her patients tolerate, if that makes sense. To be honest, most of the patients of hers that push for 4 hours and then deliver a gorked kid do so because they won't take any instruction from her, won't take any instruction from the nurse, and insist that their "bodies will tell them what to do" and push half-assed because it hurts. These are also the same people that will refuse antibiotics in labor, because it's "unnatural", again, in the spirit of their bodies being smart and knowing what to do. Then their baby ends up on a vent in resp. distress getting IV antibiotics because it's septic. Guess what women? Sometimes our bodies DON'T know what's best for us! Why do placentas abrupt? Why do cords knot? Why do all those things happen if our bodies know what's best for us? I can't tell you the heartache I've seen as a result of that thinking...

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Originally Posted by Alyssa Jamy, I have actually had extensive conversations with Sarah about Midwives and she is very much PRO midwife, her concerns are around 'the right midwives' and dealing with a group that is integrated into a hospital (in case things happen). (Sarah - sorry for speaking for you! I will leave room for you to interject) So, I am going with an OBGYN group that has a bunch of Dr.'s, NPT and midwives that all work together. I don't like to chew gum b/c it has artificial shit in it, i never take tylenol or advil for pain, eat organic, etc. i can not imagine getting meds unless of an extreme emergency. i also have a high tolerance for pain and would expect childbirth to hurt like hell but feel like we will do our best to prepare to mentally accept the pain and just deal with it. does that make sense?

No problem, I kinda answered above. I have no problem doing things as natural as possible. In fact, my favorite delivery I've ever done, to date, was with a midwife, where the women used hypnobirthing techniques, and delivered naturally. And here's the BEST part about that delivery.... her fetal heart tones looked like CRAP. But never bad enough that an imminent c-section was necessary. However, she couldn't be intermittently monitored- she had to stay on the monitors at all times. She was reasonable, and after discussing with the CNM and & the reasons why she needed an IV and needed to be monitored, she agreed. It was such a nice delivery, the woman was so in-control, the people in the room so respectful of her delivery wishes, it was just awesome. That is the best of both worlds- keeping everything as natural as possible, yet using medical intervention when necessary.

And Alyssa, please don't take this the wrong way...(also Calia)... I have patients like you ALL the time. You do everything natural, you don't want anything for pain, you don't take meds at home, you don't want an epidural, you don't want pain meds, etc. Well, you also never gone through labor. I wish I had a dollar for every patient that adamantly didn't want pain meds/epidural when she admitted to the hospital. And I'm very respectful of that- I'm all for delivering naturally if that's what you want, and I'll do everything I can to help my patients achieve that goal. But, I'm also there to do what my patients decide is the best thing for them during their labor, within the realm of safety, and 9 times out of 10, they are begging me for an epidural before they're 5cm. I can't tell you how many girls I've tried to talk out of it, how I've encouraged that they can make it, don't give up on your goal! Nope, they can't take it, they want an epidural. No, it's not the hospital pushing these all-natural girls into getting an epidural like TBOBB and some of those articles would like you to think. It's the patient demanding one because someone told them the pain is a spiritual experience, that it's worth it in the end, that their delivery "wasn't that bad" and so they thing theirs will be the same way.

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Originally Posted by Christine well said Nicole. Jamy and Alyssa, I have a friend from my prenatal yoga class that labored for 30 hours at a birth center and wound up being rushed to the hospital for an emergency c-section. That story alone is a good reason for me to labor in a hospital. Can you imagine laboring for 30 hours with no meds at all, not only would you be to tired to push the kid out your baby would be to tired to work to come out. I think that someone said it well (possibly Sarah) it doesn't matter how the baby comes out, only that is comes out healthy and happy, because in the end we all get the same trophy-a beautiful baby!

Could you imagine also having a 4th-degree laceration (where your vajayjay and butthole become one!) and not having anyone trained to repair that kind of tear? And then, because it's been open for 4 hours (yes, FOUR HOURS before they saw it necessary to try to repair it... probably because she was in a tub, or breastfeeding or something else- never mind infection risk!) no one will touch it. Our unit wouldn't take her, the other hospital in town wouldn't take her... she ended up having to go to the ER. Could you imagine? Going to an ER right after delivering your baby... non-hospital birth centers are scary places. Oh the stories I could tell you. That's a mild one.

Yes, Christine. That's my favorite line. It's usually handed out to the girls that are having a complete emotional breakdown and are in hysterics because they decide they want to get an epidural, or they're going to have a c-section, or some other loss of an unrealistic dream they have... no one gives out prizes at the end of labor for those who did it without pain meds, or pushed out an 11-pounder vaginally, or refused their c-section. Everyone gets the same trophy- a beautiful baby. All that other stuff pales in comparison.

[Kryztan]

When I had my baby, if it were medically necessary I would have done a c-section! I was one week past my due date when I went into labor. I had planned all a long to get drugs as soon as I could. When I finally went in to labor I dialated so quickly there was no time for meds. I loved my birth experience and am actually glad I ended up doing it naturally. My point isnt about the meds, it is simply that when you actually go into labor is when things are final. C Sections should not be decided on if not medically necessary. Things can change up to that point and you may not stick to your original birth plan. All you need to keep in mind is doing whats best for baby! If Csection is what is needed do it.

Also good luck getting prego!

[Kat81]

I find this all really interesting. I have never had any experience with any of this. All I know is that my mom had all three of us naturally in the hospital. I was 8 pounds 2 ounces. My sister was 9 11 and my brother was 12 5 and three weeks too early due to inducing because of his size. She is crazy in my mind. I want an epidural lol... I just really like reading all your different views on things.

[Alyssa]

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Originally Posted by Sarah And Alyssa, please don't take this the wrong way...(also Calia)... I have patients like you ALL the time. You do everything natural, you don't want anything for pain, you don't take meds at home, you don't want an epidural, you don't want pain meds, etc. Well, you also never gone through labor. I wish I had a dollar for every patient that adamantly didn't want pain meds/epidural when she admitted to the hospital. And I'm very respectful of that- I'm all for delivering naturally if that's what you want, and I'll do everything I can to help my patients achieve that goal. But, I'm also there to do what my patients decide is the best thing for them during their labor, within the realm of safety, and 9 times out of 10, they are begging me for an epidural before they're 5cm. I can't tell you how many girls I've tried to talk out of it, how I've encouraged that they can make it, don't give up on your goal! Nope, they can't take it, they want an epidural. No, it's not the hospital pushing these all-natural girls into getting an epidural like TBOBB and some of those articles would like you to think. It's the patient demanding one because someone told them the pain is a spiritual experience, that it's worth it in the end, that their delivery "wasn't that bad" and so they thing theirs will be the same way. .

Sarah, I don't take any offense - I value your medical opinion. I also think you know from our private conversation that K and I are serious about getting the 'best of both worlds' in terms of going natural in a hospital setting if it is healthy and allowed by what the baby needs. I am not adamant about anything, all I have ever said is that is the way WE WANT to go.

I feel very strongly that nobody should be condemned for having a C-section, elective or not just as nobody should be condemned for trying to have natural childbirth.